they say, you know, the media coverage that's been given to chris christie and the way he may or may not have abused his power is not that dissimilar from the irs and that the media, and democrats are letting president obama off the hook in the irs case. >> well, let me get back, again, back and forth. this news story, what is the substance now of the irs investigation? is this just part of a sort of a broad front effort to nail the president, whether it's irs, benghazi, or ukraine? or is there really some pay dirt that a legislator would find powerful? information they're getting? >> you know, that's what they're looking for. and when representative cummings came out, he said that, too, that they want to get to the bottom of what happened, how to reform things over there. you had lois lerner come out and essentially apologize as well. and there were some indications early on that she would actually cooperate in this hearing. i think that's why you saw representative issa get so sort of frustrated on his end because i think he was expecting that she wouldn't plead the fifth. she, of